live session from a forest near nuclear power plant Emsland / Lingen, Germany, by Julia Tieke

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24 April 2022
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20:06
Julia Tieke
I am planning a live stream from this place in commemoration of the Chernobyl disaster in 1986 on Tuesday. This place is surrounded by nuclear industry: shut down nuclear power plant to the west, running one tobte south, nuclear fuel element factory to the east and chemical industry north (plus many other heavy industries). By coincidence (?) a nearby military base will hold exercises in the sky on that day, so expect some aircrafts from above.
That’s where I grew up 😳
https://goo.gl/maps/wYyQ6Z3ryrNxRomi9
u
21:30
unosonic
that sounds interesting! Great! But wait, which one is the shut down powerplant? Did it belong to the Emsland PP? I see also a RWE Gas PP west of that forest.
21:34
all these factories and powerplants are cut into that forest.
21:39
I see, it's KKW Lingen, shut down in 1979. When will that stream start, about?
GS
22:39
Grant Smith
so many sounds!
22:40
if anybody (else) would like to drop a mic next weekend when the Reveil daybreak broadcast is happening, we would be happy!
22:41
Please post here if you do..
22:43
Also if you want to make a quick page for the stream, that can be a small marker of these ephemeral exchanges..
22:46
just in case - thx
n
23:02
neoscenes
hei Grant, I'm trying to get my stream running here, will let you know when it's up — still very windy and my windsock is not happy :-\
GS
23:03
Grant Smith
cool - thanks v much John - and for making the page
JT
23:13
Julia Tieke
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Exactly, there is a gas power plant now running at the site of the former nuclear pp which is still being dismantled… the gas pp uses some of the facilities like the cooling towers
23:14
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Between 2 and 3 pm on Tuesday I hope. Will post it here.
23:14
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Unfortunately will be elsewhere and can’t join
n
23:17
neoscenes
faugh, of course, a million things go wrong when connecting everything for the first time in many months ... argh!
23:25
I can't remember now, is it such that Nicecast can no longer be used since it won't send an ogg stream?
JT
23:27
Julia Tieke
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Yeah, it’s all dedicated industrial area since the 50s or so… the rest of the forest will probably disappear for Green Hydrogen soon, they are already building a transformer station there as well
u
23:34
unosonic
Nightingale, light rain, trains at https://radio.aporee.org:8443/peterc
25 April 2022
JT
19:31
Julia Tieke
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This is already streaming live from a little more east because of network issues. Chernobyl disaster happened this coming night at 1.26 am in 1986. Mic will run until Wednesday probably. Tomorrow from 10 am MEZ with French mirage fighter jets exercising here with German military. ✌️ https://radio.aporee.org:8443/mobilemic1
u
19:54
unosonic
thx Julia. Could you send a marker for the location? I'd like to try a remote recording ...
u
20:12
unosonic
thanks! it sound good, like in a big hall plus a huge ventilation. Do you know from which facility this sound is coming from?
u
20:29
unosonic
this is a great radio.earth location. I've started a stream recording, will make a series.
P
20:32
Petra Kapš OR poiesis
Hi Julia, am listening, sounds great, thank you!
JT
20:33
Julia Tieke
Thank you, I think it is the chemical factory just north of the nuclear pp
u
20:36
unosonic
so we have these lovely birds singing in between the hum of nuclear power plant Emsland and/or Framatom's "Advanced Nuclear Fuels" factory. A chemical and a concrete factory north of the spot may also add to the humming. The whole area is an "Industrie Park".
20:41
Julia, I guess we're in that forest?
JT
20:45
Julia Tieke
Haha, yes, but maybe from the other side - not sure
JG
20:45
John Grzinich
quite the mix of sounds
PC
20:48
Peter Cusack
The birds together with the industrial harmony and reverberant forest acoustic sound amazingly produced, with fast trains at a pleasant distance adding to the musicality. I've noticed this aesthetic dichotomy at other nuclear/industrial/oil installations.
u
21:48
unosonic
traffic increases it seems. Julia, what kind of forest is it? Similar to the one at the Tesla location we've visited recently?
It's normal that energy-intensive productions emerge close to power pants of all sort. But since KKW Emsland will be shut down December 31 this year, I wonder how the chemical plant and the steel tube factory south will get their energy (let alone the current prices...)
JT
21:58
Julia Tieke
Yes, very similar to the Tesla forest. Until the 19th century, this was an area of wandering sand dunes and then pines were planted. So it’s mainly pines still. Some area is more a marsh also.
22:01
This very forest will be the site for the huge inverter to change the currents of the wind energy coming from the northern sea and then use it for green hydrogen.
22:01
Also the gas plant on the site of the first nuclear one produces a lot of energy.
22:03
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Yes, interesting. I know your Chernobyl work, of course! The Mirage fighter jets will add another layer tomorrow…
u
22:41
unosonic
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fascinating. so here we are at the heart of the great green transformation. this will change the shape of our land, everything will be touched: On water, on land, on the roof - that's what our minister for economy, Habeck, has said recently.
22:43
the song of that black cap and robin an hour ago, with or against the surrounding humming of the energy facilities, is also the sound of a power imbalance
22:47
The neo-green perspective would have us (enthusiastically or reluctantly) embrace a world that is massively complicated, mega-technological, engineered, risk-tending, used, biologically impoverished, overpopulated, and filled with consumer stuff. (Eileen Crist, “Ptolemaic Environmentalism,” Keeping the Wild: Against the Domestication of Earth)
JT
22:53
Julia Tieke
Green transformation run by the same energy giants, in the case of Lingen it’s RWE, now nuclear soon green though nuclear is anyway considered sustainable by the EU.
22:56
Any traffic we hear is related to the industry there, it’s no residential area at all.
u
23:02
unosonic
trying to imagine how it is to walk through such a land(scape) in future, what to hear and what to see. Bruno L. said in an article in german newspaper Die Zeit: "It is no longer a past lost forever that makes us cry with misery, but the soil that disappears before our eyes [...] This is the most radical effect of the new climatic conditions: The climate crisis, the general extinction of species, the sterilization of landscapes are driving us crazy. "
I guess I've quoted that already several times... pardon, but it meets my concerns.
SA
23:05
Sam Auinger
what kind of drone spectrum
23:07
with bundles of standing waves
JT
23:07
Julia Tieke
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Looks like a burning landscape more than a sterilised (Bruno Latour, Udo?)
u
23:14
unosonic
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yes, Bruno Latour. Somehow he has become omnipresent in recent crisis discourses. rightly so, probably, he has been in the subject for a long time.
23:19
I wonder what others of this group hear in this stream's sound... physical realities, metaphors, politics, crisis?
SA
23:20
Sam Auinger
considering the scale that this drone is transmitted from the large free outside space then you hear the overwhelming manifestations of industrial conditions .
JT
23:22
Julia Tieke
The continuity of the huge hum is frightening - a very piercing sonic omnipresent penetration of the atmosphere
SA
23:22
Sam Auinger
it defines the auditory perceptible space
PC
23:43
Peter Cusack
I agree that unchanging continuity of the hum is scary. It is utterly insensitve and unreative to what ever else is there.
23:45
Totally corporate
SA
23:49
Sam Auinger
for me the biggest tragedy is that the dynamic of how the world speaks is lost...the bandwidth becomes very narrow
26 April 2022
u
00:14
unosonic
from my walk along Berlin's edge recently, where I've encountered 35 different birds with not much effort to catch & count them all... I can confirm that wide bandwidth, variety and (bio)diversity makes happy and content.
JT
00:19
Julia Tieke
Yeah, listening to this stream is not making me happy. When the birds wake up tomorrow it’ll change I guess
u
00:23
unosonic
a stream recording has started just now (1:23 Chernobyl local time) in memory of the clusterfuck at Chernobyl nuclear power plant, starting April 26 1986, 1:23am according to the sources.
JT
00:25
Julia Tieke
Thank you!
u
00:37
unosonic
as always, successfully created stream logs go here: https://aporee.org/fieldradio
00:38
good night, see you tomorrow
u
10:04
unosonic
listening to the military aircraft, this is quite a familiar sound from my childhood in W-Germany. In my memories there were always fighter jets flying around.
It's really an interesting spot, sounds of various industries gathering around nuclear and gas power plants /w their respective infrastructures, the sounds of a forest in spring merging in, now military aircraft practising and filling deep frequencies into the spectrum. Seems like a perverted version of Bernie Krauses hypothesis of acoustic niches.
u
10:20
unosonic
military aircraft circling over critical infrastructures remind me on a near future, where a Nato membership fee of 2% of GDP/BIP and 2% of the land surface for energy production will consume big amounts of space and open ground, pushing extractivism to new levels. Future sounds?
PC
11:30
Peter Cusack
hi Julia, just wondering how you found out about the NATO exercise today? Are they announced locally to alert people in the area?
u
11:38
unosonic
this is nearby: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Nordhorn
and special trainings are usually announced in advance
11:41
as I understand, military aircraft noise is a big issue in the area too.
PC
11:44
Peter Cusack
I'm reminded too of childhood holidays in Eastern England where there are many airbases - a hang over from WW2. Planes used to fly extremely low over the sea and marshy areas close to the place we stayed. There was quite some discussion about how the noise and activity effected wildlife. The bases and training areas are of course large 'people no-go" areas and, apart from the war games, untouched. Often now regarded as good, relatively undisturbed, wildlife sites (like the exclusion zone at Chernobyl).
u
11:51
unosonic
yes, really interesting how land usage pattern affect the ecology long term, see for example the green belt along the former iron curtain, or even the sewage water fields of Berlin. The real power in action here is vegetation.
PC
11:57
Peter Cusack
yes, vegetation is critical. we really should explore more effective/varied ways to record vegetation or somehow represent it with sound.
JT
13:07
Julia Tieke
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Yes exactly
n
16:45
neoscenes
I remember the time in Köln, too, Udo, when the US military planes, which would fly that area on routine practice patrols several times a day, stopped. Around 1988, if I recall right. Not long before the Wall came down, that next year... War machines. They are very common in much of the US West even in the national parks ... I recorded some that were dog-fighting over the Manzanar Internment Camp (where Japanese citizens were taken during WWII into the desert): https://aporee.org/maps/work/export/?loc=25577&m=satellite ... what a screwed-up world ...
u
19:08
unosonic
stream is off, will be back in a few minutes!
TP
21:00
Tomasz Pizio
Hello everyone. I have just dropped a mobilemic couple minutes ago to test a spot for Reveil where some cranes are frequently around. Just had some vocalization couple minutes ago which carries through the fields nicely. Hoping for more tbh. This is a small marshy pond with clear signs of roe deer and perhaps wild boars. I didn’t take photos as it was already a bit late and dark, perhaps when I go to replace the powerbank with another one. Curious to listen to it in the morning
https://aporee.org:8443/mobilemic15
T
21:02
Timo
Nice
u
22:36
unosonic
very distant Tawny owl...
TP
22:40
Tomasz Pizio
I'm surprised it carries that far. there is quite some distance to the next line of trees and there is a quite vast field to the right of the stereo setup. I expect it might get noisier much closed in the morning with the cranes and ducks at least
JG
22:51
John Grzinich
deer ‘barks’
22:52
yes, I hear the owl